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IS it an open species?!?

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 8:13 AM



TO CLARIFY BEFORE ANYONE READS since some people have a tendency to twist my words into their own meaning, if you are uncertain about something, ASK before assuming.

This does not support theft of anything! I am just stating my opinion on the matter. Thank you and might this read give you some insight on some matters.


IS it an open species?!?

This question. Every. single. time. I. design. something.

nononoononononoooooooooooooooooo xD sTAHP witht he whole SPEICIES thing. I have stopped making species, I make cartoony made up fantasy animal/creature designs, they might look like species, but I do not claim them as such. Fantasy digital creature is a good name for it. This whole species fad going about is crazy.

When you buy my designs however you can make it into whatever you want xD if you are into speices and all that. If I make species with lots of species information, I tend to make them open. (mothlems being me trying to do a closed species again and I just nope xD it didnt feel righht for me at all )

That brings me to my next point. Something doesnt have to be a closed species for you to not respect that artists do not want you to  steal it or make the same excact thing. BUT BUT buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut Remember people Taking inspiration, or creating similar concepts with your own twist ISNT a crime. No one can copyright some  features (which I see a HUGE GROWING thing here on deviantart) , people who do should really lighten up a bit and all that jazz. A whole creature with made up anatomy and all is kind of diffrent than say a canine with wings or fins. No one can copyright a canine with wings or fins or dogs with scarves or beaver teeth coming out of ones ass.

This brings me to fishies which people have been asking me a lot about

Can I make a fishie? WELL FISHIEs ISNT a species, Its just a stupid name I use for a fish inspired fishy thing. So a better way to ask is CAN I make a 4 legged thing with fins? OFCOURSE XD WHO COPYRIGHTS THAT SHIT.

Going deeper, Can I make one like you make yours? This is the tricky part. I AM fine as long as you give it your own twist and do more than just taking what ive made, changing colors and doing all anatomy the same. If you are unsure if it is to similar, just show me, im not really anal about people copying things from me anymore so I really say yes unless its just a recolor. If you take inspiration from stuff ive made without asking me im usually fine aswell as long as credit is given and you dont lie about it and try to say that you made it all by yourself.

I see several artists I used to look up to claim everything they make as copyrighted and that no one can even COPY an idea, and if people ask, they scream no to them, they even freak out if someone tries to draw an arm the same way, I kid you not. I see people try to claim lines going across joints as their idea and no one else can draw them even if they are doing it in their own style. How mental is this copyright madness gotten? If you cannot handle people using your art for inspiration or wanting to atleast TRY yourstyle without freeaking out xD STOP UPLOADING IT FOR PEOPLE TO SEE. Its like they want the attention and asskissing, but they cannot handle people wanting to try out somethng they like. People try out my style all the time, I might say its important to do other things as well so you dont end up only being able to draw in my style, but god dammit everyone can try whatever they want, since when did people get thrown in a crowd of screaming mobs for copying mona lisa for the sake of trying. I copy shit all the time, I dont upload it, but I do it to learn how other artist thing, if I upload I give credit, and thats all it needs. Many just need to learn to give credit and the whole crazyness should be ok.

I want to add that it sucks big times when people just copy the hard work you did and claims it as their own and gets praise for it , and that is wrong. If you copy or heavily reffrence someones art, GIVE CREDIT. No one is going to look down on you for using other peoples art for inspiration even if many kids believe so since deviantart is going crazy and attacks people as soon as someone makes a dog with a symbol that another dog might have no matter how generic xD. IF you want to recreate an artpiece, ask the artist if you can. If they say no, no one is going to kill you if you do it offline, just do not take credit for it or upload it. Uploading copied art is not what you want credit for. Copy to learn! and then upload a piece you made yourself with what you have learned by making it into your  own thing. I do this all the time.

Moving on  4 legged fish inspired characters doesnt just look like mine, so theres no real argument to say but thats what dog mixed with fish look like and if I make one they can only look like yours.

So I want to feature some great examples of
4/2 legged animal/creatures with fish/fin inspired designs that doesnt really look exactly the same, yet all are based on same idea (added some who arent xD)

Fish Dog by yvashFin! by etherealCoyoteSea dog - Creature redesign CO by Whip-o-willSparkle Dog Contest Entry for nil by SharpieCatFish Dog creating guide by CaptainDashundDolphin Dog by Kame-KamiInkblot Creature #1 by KatePfeilschiefterFish dog by pandoras-islandFish Species [AUCTION] by adoptshopp
Betta by ldefixgimme some fish bitch by KibokuKi the Koi-dog by TrelDaWolfActual Size 2 by colonel-strawberry

these are just a small piece of so many ways you can mix the two, may it only be design, texutre, mixing bodyparts, making outfits with fish designs or fish with hats in dog shapes you name it only creativity will stop you.

LOOK EVEN VAPOREON is a 4leggeddogfishfin thingy
 nyyyaaaa Vaporeon by Shineymagic

It might be a cat I dunno, but it doesnt even have dog ears or cat ears? I dunno removing parts and replacing is a fun way to play with designs to. Just look at how many diffrent shapes and forms you can give just fins alone xD why stick to copying something already made when you can go crazy and make up all kinds of things or try! You never know what will pop up!

I myself have lots of fish inspired characters and none of them are the excact same.

Dusk by griffsnuff
Tape by griffsnuffFisk by griffsnuff
Mr. Fish' Refsheet by griffsnuff Cucumber by griffsnuff
My finnedyrs by griffsnuff
Finnedyrs are also free to make if you want to make your own  ( information is located in my free folder)


I have also designed many in the past for others
Design by griffsnuffDesign for BananaPistol by griffsnuffDesign commission by griffsnuffDesign commission by griffsnuffDesign Sold by griffsnuffredpandasalamanderotter by griffsnuffDat spunk by griffsnuff



Does this mean I am not allowed to make colorfull dogfishthings with hair? NO xD gO MAKE A HAIRY FISHDOG, But as stated over there are HUNDREDS of ways to do that if you put in some effort to try! :D



Should we be angry at people who do make closed species? NO xD BUT IF YOU Ever get attacked by someone because you made a dog with  a happy face and a scarf, those people should back off and go try make something a little more complicated to call a closed species.


To much rambeling, I just had to get this off my chest :dummy:

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:icontiger24688:
tiger24688 Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Agreed! Now Im off to make some dog... Hmm cat fishy thing~
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PastelPup Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Honestly you've made me feel better about them, I know one popular artist who made a cat fish, and claimed it as her own species, Which is totally fine, if its made in its own special way. But I've seen others that look like the same thing. And this species has many outcomes. So, anyway you might happen to draw a cat/fish hybrid, the high possibility is it may end up looking exactly like this closed species. Which I've seen a lot lately. A lot of people are taking characters and making them into closed species. What I am not liking about this is, I don't want to draw something, and be completely unaware of someone having a species that resembles this said character, and having them up my butt (or anyone.) that that species is theirs and you either need to delete it, pay for it(?) or credit them. If not that, get their fans harassment. So, honestly I am not big on this. Yes, I am okay (still not totally accepting because of this.) But I will still respect them and not judge someone for making a closed species. Unless, it looks like something others could easily make and have no idea this is a closed species and then get harassed (if you will) because of this. Then I have an issue. But I have a little insight now, and I will refrain from commenting if it is negative, but I still think making closed species can end up being a bad idea. That is just my own opinion. And I will respect people who choose to make a closed species. Given they know someone can make something similar without the knowledge that it was even proclaimed as a closed species. 
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aHoneyBadger Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
*a long respectful slow clap for this entire journal* 
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CrayonKat Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I apologize I'm confused. Making a closed species in general is a bad thing?
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griffsnuff Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2014
No xD But some go crazy angry when people do close things thinking they cant make something similar because it has happened and does still happen that people are trying to copyright certain mixes of features and attack people who use them.
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CrayonKat Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Oh! Thank you for clarifying. :3
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truffie Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Hehehe, I was feeling nervous that people might think I copied you when I made this. XD 
But I guess it's okay. C:
She's a present for you~
turquoisecat8.deviantart.com/a…
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griffsnuff Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2014
^^; thank you but I already have a lot of characters. If you want it to be used active, you should maybe give it to someone who has less characters than me
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truffie Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Alright, would I be allowed to sell her? :3
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griffsnuff Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2014
Yes :3
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joolzanfire Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
EVERYONE needs to read this. Species and OCs are two completely different things.
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Pereyga Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Haha when I looked at your examples I thought of Vaporeon and then you came up with Vaporeon xD
But really there re so many ways to design a basic idea. And you can't just go and copyright every little shit. (okay some people do o)
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Rain-and-Thunder Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2014
dog fishy thing? Truthfully I never even thought about something like that before. It's interesting though. And I agree taking inspiration from someone isn't stealing otherwise art books would be going after people who copied their styles. XD

What about a kitty fishy thing? lol
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saturdayfan200 Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2014
They are adorable. 
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Dracosphere Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
'Fish inspired fishy thing.'

I need to watch you now...
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griffsnuff Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2014
:D YAY!
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MintIeafs Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
amen
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Spritzee Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2014  Student Digital Artist
You're one of the only "real" popular artists I've seen. Seriously, you're awesome. Thanks for posting this; I think it speaks for more than just you. :)
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6gunSally Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
People are crazy with the watermarks and copyrights on here....

Most of it can hardly be claimed as art to begin with.   

Art should be shared.  If someone "copies" so what?  Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.  Now, stealing a work and claiming it as your own... That's sick and wrong...


Boo art thieves!
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griffsnuff Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2014
Yes! Why upload your art if you dont want it to be copied or taken inspiration from, people will do it no matter what. Deviantart is not the only place people upload stuff. They should rather worry about people stealing the artwork they did instead of people who copied a symbol
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Vaalkaaren Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Unfortunately, it's the people who feel they own everything that scare off less-experienced artists. I know there are a lot of people I look up to who tend to be paranoid about people copying them so sometimes I feel like I can't even look at their art for fear of inspiration :shrug:
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griffsnuff Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2014
Indeed, you go and if they complain because you drew leghair the same way then they are the one who looks silly
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Vaalkaaren Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Haha so true. It's really discouraging to come across artists like this--especially when they have a ton of brown-nosers friends who side with them and take it upon themselves to "defend" the person you "copied." 
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Stormful Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
I'm curious though, how do you feel when a lot of people copy your style and draw their own stuff nearly exactly like you? Does it make you feel ripped off or they're copying your designs a little toooo close? 
I would >_>
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griffsnuff Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2014
If they lie about being inspired by my art then yes, if they do it and give credit i dont really mind at all. I have really gotten over this whole being defensive when someone copy me, the whole idea of being that way is a waste of time if you are posting things for other to see, people will copy you no matter what you do, and people seem to freak out as soon as someone draws the same thing as they did. I see even people freak out if someone copies their profile page, gallery folder art, textstyle they use(which they dont own to begin with), etc.., I mean WTF XD whats wrong with some people. Its getting really really bad this whole wanting to own the rights to everything you create, and its ruining a lot of potentioal of creativity out there.

People copy me all the time, ive gotten sick of going around hunting them down or freaking out over people wanting to try what I do, if I start drawing in a new way 1-2 days later someone else will start doing the same or even in the same day xD. Like the headshots I did with that crayon brush, I did lots of those, and same day I saw several people do the same, and people linked me to them being all worried and "oh my god they are copying you"  I mean, that is really absurd, to worry about people drawing headshots because I did it. I am pretty 100 million prosent sure I was not the first one to draw headshots xD

This applies to everything I guess. After I started doing the chibis with black eyes, its gotten normal for everyone to do them, I didnt see them a lot before BUT, I was inspired by another artist who did it to, and you cant copyright chibis with black dots as eyes. Im sure someone out there think they can because its their style or something, but its really silly when you think about it xD

For the longest time I was  really torn in this whole area, because some things I was really fine with being copied, while others not, expecially my characters since they mean a lot to me, and when people just copy them or recolor them something inside me turns and it doesnt feel good, but then again I cant copyright all the things I add in my characters. All I can do is hope that people have enough respect to try and make their own things, which I encourage.

there are SOOOOOOO many characters and design out there that I want so badly which I dont own xD AND ITS REALLY REALLLY REAAAAAAAAALLLY tempting to just design the same thing, but I dunno the artist in me feels bad, since I know how much it sucks.  Many of my characters are inspired by other designs, but I have made them into my own thing.

I think the worst feeling is when you see an obvious copy of your character, and the artist who copied it pretends like they didnt, or say that they never saw it when its obvious they did. I dont like that, and if people do that I dont like them.

Another side to it is when people copy your designs that you earn money on, they kind of hurt your income, but then again they dont. Because it all comes down to who makes them in the end. ( NOT FOR ALL, some people want cheap designs and will go for the cheapest) Many will however get it from the source, because they want to be apart of the original, so the income isnt hurt. I do believe this is also a big root to why people are so crazy about making closed species.  Not only is it a part of you but it helps your buisness run when you sell something others cannot make.

With my fishies which arent a species, I see lots of copies, the excact same concept, just diffrent colors and hairstyles and fins and all that, In the end they are not made by me so they do not count with the ones I make, so people can make them all they want, but the ones who pay for them for me are the ones I count in my group and gets special offers later on ^^ Besides I draw them more than once to, which I wont with the fishy copies.

This got long haha oh god, hope it wasnt to confusing.
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zomgmad Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2014  Hobbyist
I think even when the design/species/idea/drawing style/etc. in question is not one-of-a-kind, if a well-known artist (such as yourself - I know a lot of people, including me, look up to you :)) starts to draw that way, there will always be lots of people who will immediately try a similar style. Like the crayon brush headshots, if there was a sudden influx of drawings in that style right after you posted yours, it's probably because people saw yours and wanted to give it a try. But, like you said, of course you don't have the copyright or anything. xD I'm sure there have been people drawing with the crayon brush for years. It just gets crazy, this whole ownership thing.

I have to give you kudos, you always have great ideas for designs and characters, etc. :) I admire your art a lot.
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griffsnuff Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2014
Yes! I do this myself all the time, if I see something cool I havent seen before I will try it out


thank you! I am glad to inspire :D
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zomgmad Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2014  Hobbyist
Yup. :) That's just how artists learn and develop their skills.

And thanks to you for always being so open with your methods, etc. Your tutorials are great!
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:iconstormful:
Stormful Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
Wow that was quite the reply I did not expect aha
Yeah I asked because I figured you got that a lot with followers copying your style or trying to copy a character. Your followers loooove you and I can see that they want to look up to you and try to be as great as you some day ahh but I can imagine how uncomfortable it can be...
yeah man I feel the same with seeing other adoptables and I'll sit there like "WOAH that... pattern... is really nice.." and I want to try it out but I don't want to copy it because then I feel like i'm stealing >_> AND THEN there's some characters I've sold that I kind of miss ._. and I want to remake them but I don't know if I can even do that 
I made a bunch of cats with pumpkin heads I called pumpkitties.. I wanted it to be an original species so no one could copy and reproduce them but I had gotten bad rep on that guh 
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griffsnuff Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2014
OMFG I KNOW the feeling of missing sold characters ahhhhhhhhh! this is why I stopped selling my own characters xD But theres some designs I just love so badly, I have bought back to of them haha since the original owners who bought them sold them and I spotted it!

BUT if you see a pattern you really like go for it! no one can copyright a pattern ^^


yeah reason is that a lot of stuff already have pumkin heads on them , and its a halloween thing thats been going on for a while.

They were pretty awesome though! I saw several I wanted but they were bought so I was like noooooooo xDD I remember I wanted to have snuffens features copyrighted and it annoyed me like hell when people made foxes with bird hind feet and lizard tails and no nose, I was like PFFF come up with your own combo, but then again I dont care anymore since so many do it now xD an d I cant really copyright those features that would be stupid
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:iconstormful:
Stormful Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
I had no idea that all of my ugly fish would sell (I just figure everyone on here wants anything cute and furry) yet.. all the fish went and I was just.. WOW. But it made me turn around and tackle one of the fish like NOPE you can't have this one I need to keep at least one of them
yeah halloween is so popular bluh I guess I shouldn't worry about the pumpkin head stuff... and thanks! If there's a custom one you'd like me to make, I'd be more then happy to make another! They were tons of fun to make designs for ahh
I think your snuffens is safe :0 no one can recreate and steal that precious boo
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griffsnuff Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2014
Just looked it overagain and omg I want 11 8D
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Skygryphon Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2014  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
So very true. Thank you for being level-headed and rational about this, and, well, just having a good attitude. It's becoming harder and harder to find here.
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Dayahya Featured By Owner Feb 20, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I just discovered this Journal post at like 3:57 am in the morning west coast time. I must say I am completely in agreement with you, and understand the point of what you were conveying.
Copying and theft and discrediting sucks carrots. It isn't fun either if people try telling you you copied them when it was vice versa.
Bloody prickling chippers.. With that big punky chip on their shoulders... *mumble grumble*
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Even worse if their friends start butting in and nomming your face for defending yourself from thieves and insults and garbage and andohgodimrantingimsosorryitstoolatehereimgoingtobed.
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AnRei-Apples Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
amen
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Shadowhunter625 Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
*looks at things you've designed*

A dog and a fish had a baby X,D 
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Grace3333 Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2014
ahhhhh so true *inhales journal*  <3
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Luciana-vee Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I've seen people making up pokemon species (basically throwing 2 pokemon designs together or adding some different features to a pokemon and claiming it as their own species)
and even worse they close it and then go hate on people who have drawn similar Pokemon things.
I mean really? ALL Pokemon belong to Game Freak and Nintendo, not some butthurt 12 year olds on DeviantART...

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mo13thenerd Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Two words: true that.
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MADZchickenFreak Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
This is the best journal entry on deviantART. 

I will just give a link to this the next time people are like "BUcK U STEeLING MI DEsIgn!!
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Mitsu-Chiruno Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2014  Student General Artist
I hate that. I remember seeing an OC drawing made by someone and at the bottom of the description I'm certain there was something about copyrighting the design of the OC. See that to me is ridiculous, because the design itself wasn't special. It was lovely, but, it wasn't the first character I'd seen with purple hair, it wasn't the first character I'd seen with a beach-inspired outfit design, and I felt a little weird because while looking at it I was thinking 'hmm, I wanna try out a similar design with my own twist and spin on it', but the moment I read those copyright thingies I feel restricted and I don't end up drawing anything out of fear of a person attacking me because I 'stole' their design.
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griffsnuff Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2014
yeah a lot of people feel that way and its a  shame that peoples creativity should be limited because some people out there want to copyright some features that no one else can never try xD
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Mitsu-Chiruno Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2014  Student General Artist
Exactly. It's restricting artists and then artists can't grow, and it's sad. And exactly x'D
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wingsz Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2014





...tHIS
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Roxalew Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2014  Student General Artist
Cant thank you enough for posting this, sometimes people need to chill out over this stuff ^^; Everyone at some point in their lives finds inspiration in something, and by going off at people over every little detail, or even worse going off at them for idolizing you, its just making things worse for everyone.

Thank you for your wonderful incite into things, its a pleasure to see someone with such an inspiring view over this :D


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Sir-Herp Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2014  Student General Artist
Man, I always get really confused at the whole species and "omg (c) this, (c) that, (c) erry simple thang to me" thing. This journal is great. :XD:
 
Also, I really agree with the "copy to learn" idea, instead of "copying to claim you drew something cool."
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CheezyedPoof Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Yay! Haha, i've been wanting to design my own fishie thingy for a while now, they're so gorgeous and fun to look at.
I have the exact same opinion. I hate art theft, but being inspired by artists is how we improve our own selves!
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polar-moon Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2014
jawdrop revamp SAME OPINION!!
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iluvme4never Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2014  Student Filmographer
The way I see it, the art community exists to create and to teach.  If we don't make an effort to help others improve their art, then we're hindering the growth of art in our community.  That's NOT a good thing, by the way.  Art shouldn't be so exclusive that only a select few are allowed within that community.
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